Questions.

[zorst]

scramble is worse than useless and rarely balances the teams in some meaningful deterministic way.

^^^^^

[zorst]

Also, if you're saying that people are just rejoining the same teams after hours of gameplay and multiple new maps then it means that ....
a) obviously people aren't concerned enough that they're leaving the server
and
b) there are a group of players who are deliberately stacking a team

which means that

since it's a deliberate / conscious / pre-mediated / purposeful thing that they're doing, if they are scrambled or moved to another team, they'll just go into spec, force some autobalance, then rejoin the stacked team.

scramble won't work, it will be circumvented.

[zorst]

I think there would be better if the admins actually played on the server more to see the problem.

yes good idea!

Because i'm pretty sure that no-one on the admin team (despite most of us having many years of admin experience and many thousands of hours of TF2 playtime) have never experienced playing on a server where the teams were very uneven.

[Mr Pie]

It never happens, ever.

[Mr Pie]

Plus it eventually evens out when the shit players join the good team in hope of getting a few points.

[Linda]

Also, if you're saying that people are just rejoining the same teams after hours of gameplay and multiple new maps then it means that ....
a) obviously people aren't concerned enough that they're leaving the server
and
b) there are a group of players who are deliberately stacking a team

which means that

since it's a deliberate / conscious / pre-mediated / purposeful thing that they're doing, if they are scrambled or moved to another team, they'll just go into spec, force some autobalance, then rejoin the stacked team.

scramble won't work, it will be circumvented.

I play on a server that is 24/7 turbine so there is no new maps.

a) Yes, The people that stack and steamrolls others don't tend to leave the server when they massacre the other team.
The team that get massacre leaves though or join spec. I would also like to add that this kills the server when its not peak hours as new people don't join so often.

b) Mostly it just is random people that are usually equal skilled that stack up because they notice they work together really well vs very bad people and just massacre them. Then they do this round after round and sometimes even after map reset because they all just join the same team again. Sometimes its also clans or group of people that are premade that stack up.


I don't know what kind of experinces you guys got with server plugins.....
But first of all regarding the so called scramble that dont do equal team.
Yes the builtin scramble dont do equal teams but there is plugins that do it.
These plugins are used A LOT on css for example and on many tf2 servers i play on.
Not 100% if its in the same plugin or standalone but there is one that don't allow people that have been scramble to restack for a amount of time or rounds.

Plus it eventually evens out when the shit players join the good team in hope of getting a few points.

Yes that is correct sometimes but when there is a entire team that is premade/stacking it will take a while + the higher rank players usually join spec to join the stack team before any "noob" / shit player can do it that just joined the server.

Yesterday it took 1 hour and 10 min and like 13 rounds wins in a row before the stack team split up.

[dan]

To be frank, we are never going to be there watching and balancing teams for you every 10 minutes, we run 7 turbine servers in Aust alone that are nearly always full and never do we need to scramble.

Stop being so precious and just play the game, 1 or 2 decent players can completely change the flow on turbine, it's the nature of the map, take it or leave it. Admins aren't here to micromanage players and their skill levels.

Out of interest, what plugin specifically are you referring to?

[Linda]

To be frank, we are never going to be there watching and balancing teams for you every 10 minutes, we run 7 turbine servers in Aust alone that are nearly always full and never do we need to scramble.

Stop being so precious and just play the game, 1 or 2 decent players can completely change the flow on turbine, it's the nature of the map, take it or leave it. Admins aren't here to micromanage players and their skill levels.

Out of interest, what plugin specifically are you referring to?

I dont talk about 1 or 2 people i talk about a team. The team mostly exist of 9 people when the server is full and like i mention earlier a high fraction of those players are maybe 10 times more skilled then the other team.
When a decent skilled person like me (not bragging) that are up against such team there is nothing to do because Team fortress is a team game so you powerless in such situations.

The plugin i referring to is called gScramble and its features is shown here:
http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=89136

Its worth taking a look at least on it. I'm not 100% sure how much you can configure as its been a while since i config it myself.
So i dont know all the new features. But i think if its configured correctly the servers should be working as they are now just that they will be more balance in the teams.
It also seems like it can work with the stats plugin you guys got (never tried it so cant tell). Thus making people with stats fight for their rank.

[Helene]

Hey Linda.

I see you posted a thread here, but i don't see why. You asked me if i could fix this for you.
but i told you that we don't do votes. So you did get an answer to that question.

Also you spoke to wm personally and he said no. Its something they have decided a long time ago.

Originally Posted by Linda
I think there would be better if the admins actually played on the server more to see the problem.

Well i don't know what you mean here Linda. On the EU servers its almost always someone there. Myself I play about 3 to easy 12 hours everyday.
I've played 70 hours in the past 2 weeks. It has nothing to do with how much the admins play its about people having different views of things...

[Patto48]

Hi i agree with Meesham , that quite often i to join the team that losing as its

a challange to turn the tables on the winning team . Most of the time teams

are fairly balanced .